Changes in the meta between ICs (Top 32)

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  1. anti spiral

    anti spiral Member

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    Obviously this is only limited data and doesn't show the usage of the season as it's progressed.

    Using data from:
    http://www.trainertower.com/european-international-championships/
    http://www.trainertower.com/oceania-international-championships/

    Raw Data: http://pastebin.com/au9A4jvW

    In total of the top 32 teams in London and Melbourne, 55 different Pokemon were used. 14 Unique to London and 15 Unique to Melbourne. Diverse.

    The Core

    The most used Mons from London were also amongst the most used in Melbourne. Tapu Koko, Arcanine, Garchomp, Tapu Lele, Porygon2, Kartana. Every single team in Top 32 (from both tournaments) contained at least one of these and many contained 2 or 3. All 6 of these were present in both finals and Garchomp and Tapu Koko victorious in both aswell.

    The Risers

    4 Months have passed and although the core members of many teams have stayed the same, lots of mons have gained dramatically in popularity. Some were already fairly popular, others were not even being used at all.

    Arcanine (+17): Already used by most of the top cut teams in London, the big Fire doggo rocketed in usage to a massive 75% of the top 32 in Melbourne.

    Tapu Fini (+9): Not a single team in the Top 32 in London used this Tapu. However more and more use in the season (and probably the rise of Arcanine) saw Fini replace Bulu as the 3rd most used Tapu.

    Garchomp (+9): Like Arcanine this was already a core of many teams, likewise its usage has gone through the roof, you better have a counter for this land shark.

    Snorlax (+7):

    Kartana (+5): With many UBs losing their popularity and usage, Kartana has remained strong, even with so many Arcanines running around.

    Others to note: Drifblim was on the winning team and although didn't feature on that many teams, it's expected rise in popularity as the season progresses. Tapu Koko increased its usage again to become the most popular Tapu.


    The Fallers

    You win some, you lose some. Pokemon that appeared so strong at the start of the season have now fallen down the pecking order.

    Marowak-Alolan (-14): On almost 50% of the top 32 in London, Marowak has gone from something you would expect to face, to an outsider. These stats don't tell the whole story of the season or the current meta, but Marowak has certainly gone out of favour.

    Celesteela (-9): I think stream viewers will be pleased to see this reduced in popularity. The rise and rise of Arcanine has made Celesteela too risky to stay out.

    Tapu Bulu (-7):
    Now the least popular of the Tapus, still has usage on a few teams but larger being ignored for other options.

    Salamence (-6):
    Another falling victim to Arcanine. No longer the best Intimidate user and saw almost no usage in Melbourne. After a successful 2016 it looks like this dragon has had it's last dance.

    Others to note: Araquinid saw reduced usage in Melbourne, but is still a favourite mon amongst trickroom users. Don't be surprised to see this back in top cut, likewise Porygon2. Rain teams, Politoed and Pelipper (and Golduck) saw their usage reduced here, with weather wars becoming so prevalent it's not wise to have a strategy that can be stopped so easily.

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    There is so much going on that the top cuts from 2 tournaments aren't proof of a meta shift, but the trends are worth noting and being prepared for.

    I was bored at work and wrote this to pass the time.
     
  2. SecretT

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    What do you think is the reason for lower usage of Marowak? Is it just because of Tapu Fini?

    It's still probably the second best fire-type, deals with Koko/Bulu/Lele/Kartana/Nihilego/Snorlax/Celesteela/Ninetales/Muk, supports with Lightning Rod and works in TR better than Arcanine.
     
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  3. coolerdynastic

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    Marowak dominates early this meta because it has a plethora of resistance, and being super pain thanks to Thick Club, even a -1 Marowak deals a lot of damage.
    Reason why I find Marowak usage is dropping because of how important Intimidate is, Salamence isnt as good nowadays thanks to Fini being too popular due to Misty Terrain. Krookodile has becomes Garchomp's shadow. Gyarados is somewhat common, but lack flexibility compared to Arcanine despite being able to setup Dragon Dance. Arcanine can either run special or physical variant with all kinds of good moves, while Gyarados is most likely stuck at being a Physical type attacker, being weaker to opposing intimidates.

    Marowak is also quite slow, and it makes it extremely Trick Room dependent like Araquanid or Torkoal. Once opponent manages to deny your Trick Room, Marowak will be having tough time. Yeah surely it beats stuff like Lele, Nihilego and Muk, but the opposite held true if you lost your speed advantage. These mons can OHKO Marowak back as well.

    Fini is part of a reason why Marowak usage dropped. Honorable mentions such as Garchomp has rose in usage since early in this year, as well as Snorlax are more reason why Marowak cannot stay long in teams

    That being said, Marowak is still good, but it overall depends on the person using it.
     
  4. Mega Tapu Bulu

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    It seems Trick Room as a whole has suffered a drop.

    Also the fat cat is sad that you didn't have anything to say about it.
     
  5. Nazara

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    I agree with Fini being one of the key reasons as to why we saw a drop in Marowak usage, but in no world do I agree in Marowak even coming close to dealing with Nihilego outside of Trick Room (and that's if it carries Bonemerang, a move some have opted to replace) or Muk (due to STAB Knock Off and potential Defense boosts).
     
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    Salamence fell off because Tapu Fini got big. A Pokemon that relies almost entirely on Dragon coverage can't function in a metagame where Misty Terrain is on every other team. Sure, you can pair him with an opposing Tapu, but it's not worth the effort to try to constantly maintain terrain so that just this one Pokemon can do its job. Compared to Garchomp, which is so splashable and low-maintenance, and can run a good range of coverage moves.
    Being overshadowed by Arcanine as an Intimidate user is the least of its problems.
     
  7. SecretT

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    I think that the problem with Salamence was also that it's slower than Garchomp. Without mega it does not have a good flying move for secondary stab (and like you said dragon moves are weakened by misty terrain - Garchomp can just use Earthquake).

    With the rise of Fini I thought that Bulu would be used more, but it's being held back by Arcanine. It's also easier to include Koko into your team.

    It does seem that Fini was the pokemon that affected the meta the most.
    I'm really excited to see if some other mon will rise to popularity. Drifblim has been one of the biggest changes in recent weeks.
     
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    Actually, since Adamant Garchomp became more popular, Salamence wins the speed war because Timid 252 Salamence outspeeds Adamant Chomp, even if chomp has full speed investment. So, that's one meta shift that would have worked in Mence's favor.
     
  9. Masakado

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    Marowak also suffers way too much recoil damage (similar to one of the problems Bulu has) from Flare Blitz and doesn't have all that great bulk despite having a good number of resistances. You could replace Lightning Rod with Rock Head, but you get rid of one of the best reasons to be using Marowak in the first place over something like Arcanine. On top of Intimidate gimping it, it may not be able to pick up the KO's you need and it needs support from something like TR or Tailwind (both of which benefit most other pokemon that threaten to OHKO it like Araquanid, Gigalith, and Mudsdale).
     
  10. Mega Tapu Bulu

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    I keep hearing Bulu is on the rise lately. Is that true?

    Personally, I've seen some Bulu stall teams that are really annoying to face, but they often rely on a lot of switching so I don't know how viable that is.
     

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