SPOILERS: New Pokemon Stats and Moves + Move Tutors Discussion

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Whats your favourite new usable Pokémon

Poll closed Nov 22, 2017.
  1. Stakataka

    100.0%
  2. Lycanroc-Dusk

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  3. Blacephalon

    0 vote(s)
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  4. Naganadel

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  1. Counting Sheep

    Counting Sheep New Member

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    With the release of Ultra Sun and Moon, there are 4 new pokemon usable in the VGC 18 meta, each one brimming with potential; Blacephalon, Lycanroc-Dusk, Naganadel and Stakataka. This is a thread with the purpose of discussing and speculating on potential sets and effect on the upcoming Meta.

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    Blacephalon
    Type: Fire / Ghost
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Base Stats: 53/127/053/151/079/107 (BST: 570)
    1 - Ember
    1 - Astonish
    7 - Magic Coat
    13 - Stored Power
    17 - Flame Burst
    23 - Night Shade
    29 - Light Screen
    31 - Calm Mind
    37 - Fire Blast
    41 - Shadow Ball
    47 - Trick
    59 - Mind Blown
    TM03 Psyshock
    TM04 Calm Mind
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM12 Taunt
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM21 Frustration
    TM23 Smack Down
    TM27 Return
    TM29 Psychic
    TM30 Shadow Ball
    TM32 Double Team
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM38 Fire Blast
    TM41 Torment
    TM42 Facade
    TM43 Flame Charge
    TM44 Rest
    TM46 Thief
    TM48 Round
    TM50 Overheat
    TM56 Fling
    TM60 Quash
    TM61 Will-O-Wisp
    TM64 Explosion
    TM65 Shadow Claw
    TM66 Payback
    TM87 Swagger
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM90 Substitute
    TM97 Dark Pulse
    TM100 Confide
    Uproar
    Foul Play
    Last Resort
    Snore
    Knock Off
    Heat Wave
    Pain Split
    Spite
    After You
    Trick
    Recycle


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    Lycanrock-Dusk
    Type: Rock
    Ability: Tough Claws
    Base Stats: 75/117/65/55/65/110 (BST: 487)
    0 - Thrash
    1 - Thrash
    1 - Accelerock
    1 - Counter
    1 - Tackle
    1 - Leer
    1 - Sand Attack
    1 - Bite
    4 - Sand Attack
    7 - Bite
    12 - Howl
    15 - Rock Throw
    18 - Odor Sleuth
    23 - Rock Tomb
    26 - Roar
    29 - Stealth Rock
    34 - Rock Slide
    37 - Scary Face
    40 - Crunch
    45 - Rock Climb
    48 - Stone Edge
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM08 Bulk Up
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM12 Taunt
    TM17 Protect
    TM21 Frustration
    TM27 Return
    TM31 Brick Break
    TM32 Double Team
    TM39 Rock Tomb
    TM42 Facade
    TM44 Rest
    TM45 Attract
    TM48 Round
    TM49 Echoed Voice
    TM69 Rock Polish
    TM71 Stone Edge
    TM75 Swords Dance
    TM80 Rock Slide
    TM87 Swagger
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM90 Substitute
    TM95 Snarl
    TM100 Confide
    Covet
    Iron Head
    Drill Run
    Earth Power
    Iron Defense
    Last Resort
    Zen Headbutt
    Hyper Voice
    Iron Tail
    Snore
    Endeavor
    Outrage
    Stealth Rock
    Stomping Tantrum
    Crush Claw
    Fire Fang
    Thunder Fang
    Sucker Punch
    Thrash


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    Naganadel
    Type: Poison/Dragon
    Ability: Beast boost / Beast boost (HA)
    Base Stats: 73/73/73/127/73/121 (BST: 540)
    0 - Air Cutter
    1 - Air Cutter
    1 - Dragon Pulse
    1 - Peck
    1 - Growl
    1 - Helping Hand
    1 - Acid
    7 - Fury Attack
    13 - Venoshock
    19 - Charm
    23 - Venom Drench
    31 - Nasty Plot
    37 - Poison Jab
    41 - Toxic
    47 - Fell Stinger
    53 - Air Slash
    61 - Dragon Pulse
    TM02 Dragon Claw
    TM06 Toxic
    TM09 Venoshock
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM17 Protect
    TM21 Frustration
    TM24 Thunderbolt
    TM27 Return
    TM28 Leech Life
    TM32 Double Team
    TM34 Sludge Wave
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM36 Sludge Bomb
    TM38 Fire Blast
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    TM42 Facade
    TM44 Rest
    TM46 Thief
    TM48 Round
    TM49 Echoed Voice
    TM58 Sky Drop
    TM62 Acrobatics
    TM65 Shadow Claw
    TM67 Smart Strike
    TM76 Fly
    TM81 X-Scissor
    TM82 Dragon Tail
    TM84 Poison Jab
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    TM95 Snarl
    TM97 Dark Pulse
    TM100 Confide
    Signal Beam
    Gunk Shot
    Uproar
    Dragon Pulse
    Iron Tail
    Snore
    Heat Wave
    Tailwind
    Sky Attack
    Shock Wave
    Gastro Acid
    Helping Hand
    Outrage
    Snatch
    Ally Switch
    Throat Chop
    Laser Focus
    Draco Meteor


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    Stakataka
    Type: Rock/Steel
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Base Stats: 61/131/211/053/101/13 (BST: 570)
    1 - Protect
    1 - Tackle
    5 - Rock Slide
    11 - Stealth Rock
    17 - Bide
    19 - Take Down
    23 - Rock Throw
    31 - Autotomize
    37 - Iron Defense
    43 - Iron Head
    47 - Rock Blast
    53 - Wide Guard
    61 - Double-Edge
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM21 Frustration
    TM23 Smack Down
    TM26 Earthquake
    TM27 Return
    TM33 Reflect
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM39 Rock Tomb
    TM42 Facade
    TM44 Rest
    TM48 Round
    TM59 Brutal Swing
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM69 Rock Polish
    TM71 Stone Edge
    TM74 Gyro Ball
    TM78 Bulldoze
    TM80 Rock Slide
    TM83 Infestation
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM90 Substitute
    TM91 Flash Cannon
    TM92 Trick Room
    Iron Head
    Magic Coat
    Block
    Gravity
    Magnet Rise
    Iron Defense
    Superpower,
    Zen Headbutt
    Bind
    Snore
    Role Play
    Magic Room
    Wonder Room
    Recycle
    Stealth Rock
    Skill Swap
    Telekinesis
    Ally Switch
    Stomping Tantrum

    - Tapu Fini: Icy Wind, Knock Off
    - Incineroar: Drain Punch, Knock Off, Superpower, Thunder Punch
    - Silvally: Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Iron Head, Heat Wave
    - Pheromosa: Drill Run, Icy Wind
    - Kartana: Knock Off, Tailwind
    - Tapu Koko: Electroweb, Thunder Punch, Iron Head
    - Celesteela: Superpower
    - Muk-Alola: Recycle, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch
    - Togedemaru: Iron Head, Helping Hand, Super Fang
    - Kommo-o: Close Combat, Exclusive Z-move, Ice Punch
    - Lucario: Meteor Mash (breeding with Smeargle)
    - Kangaskhan: No PuP as Eggmove
    - Entei: Stomping Tantrum
    - Xurkitree: Electro Webs
    - P2: Electro Webs, Ally Switch
    - Magnezone: Electro Webs, Ally Switch
    - Cresselia: Ally Switch
    There are a load of other relevant moves I have missed, so you can take a look for your self here:https://pastebin.com/bVdww05J

    Shoutouts Smogon Forums for the information
     
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  2. Counting Sheep

    Counting Sheep New Member

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    Gonna start off the discussion here with talk on Stakataka.
    Despite its awful defensive typing, I feel the typing turned out to be more of a positive in the end. It gave Stakataka stab on its Rock Slide, but more importantly, stab on its Gyro Ball, making it one of the hardest hitting moves in the game. It hits anything over 96 speed, or base 76 with no investment for the full 150 Bp, and hits anything above 64 speed, or base 44 no invesment, with a Gyro Ball over 100 Bp. Its poor speed not only helps it reduce Gyro Balls power, but becomes one of the slowest offence Trick Room abuser, under-pacing Torkoal.

    Stakataka @ Iron Plate
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Gyro Ball
    - Rock Slide
    - Superpower / Stone Edge / Wide Guard / many other support options
    - Protect

    This is a set designed to abuse Tr set by another partner, or by its self if you wanna go down that route. I went with Gyro Ball over Life Orb, as once it gets a Defence raise from Beast Boost, it can live some surprising stuff. I feel this is best paired along side Cresselia, who can provide: Ice Beam for LandoT and Ground types, Psychic for Fighting types, Ally Switch (resisting Fighting, immune to Ground), Helping Hand (allowing it to pick up important Kos) and most importantly, Trick Room. There are many other options you can run, such as RockiumZ to combine double target into a strong single target, GroundiumZ to hit Aegislash, Ally Switch, Gravity to support you team, Magnet Rise and lastly you can run a Lonely nature (+Atk -Def) with 15 Defence Ivs to boost your Attack instead with Beast Boost. This will result in a noticable loss of Defence, but also power in Gyro Ball despite only losing 2 speed points. You still under-pace Torkoal however.

    -1 252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 124-147 (75.1 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    -1 252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Helping Hand Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 186-219 (112.7 - 132.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 177-208 (94.6 - 111.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tapu Fini: 148-175 (83.6 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Helping Hand Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tapu Fini: 222-262 (125.4 - 148%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (126 BP) vs. 220 HP / 172 Def Cresselia: 106-126 (47.5 - 56.5%) -- 84.8% chance to 2HKO
    (min speed Cresselia)

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 195-229 (133.5 - 156.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Salamence: 136-162 (80 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Helping Hand Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Salamence: 204-241 (100.9 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Helping Hand Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 156-183 (101.9 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 169-201 (93.3 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Iron Plate Stakataka Helping Hand Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 255-300 (120.2 - 141.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO


    252+ Atk Stakataka Superpower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 146-172 (87.4 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Stakataka Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 122-144 (67.4 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


    252+ Atk Stakataka Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 160-190 (95.8 - 113.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Stakataka Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Metagross: 160-190 (103.2 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO


    252+ Atk Stakataka Helping Hand Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 136-160 (75.1 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


    252+ Atk Stakataka Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Celesteela: 166-196 (85.1 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Stakataka Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 153-180 (69.2 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Stakataka Helping Hand Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 229-270 (103.6 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    52+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 108-132 (64.2 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Grassy Terrain: 52-64 (30.9 - 38%) -- 0.7% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Superpower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 112-136 (66.6 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Note: using Smogon Doubles Dragon Dance set at level 50

    -1 60 Atk Salamence-Mega Earthquake vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 40-48 (23.8 - 28.5%) -- 79.6% chance to 4HKO

    +1 60 Atk Salamence-Mega Earthquake vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 84-100 (50 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252 Atk Tapu Koko Wild Charge vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Electric Terrain: 39-46 (23.2 - 27.3%) -- 55.2% chance to 4HKO

    252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Electric Terrain: 73-87 (43.4 - 51.7%) -- 8.6% chance to 2HKO

    44+ Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (60 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 15-18 (8.9 - 10.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    44+ Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (60 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 15-18 (8.9 - 10.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leech Seed damage

    44+ Atk Celesteela Superpower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 76-92 (45.2 - 54.7%) -- 52.7% chance to 2HKO

    252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 39-46 (23.2 - 27.3%) -- 55.2% chance to 4HKO

    252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Hammer Arm vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 112-136 (66.6 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    196+ Atk Snorlax High Horsepower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 72-88 (42.8 - 52.3%) -- 13.7% chance to 2HKO

    +1 196+ Atk Snorlax High Horsepower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 108-128 (64.2 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 160-192 (95.2 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Low Kick (120 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 160-192 (95.2 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

    252+ Atk Tyranitar Crunch vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 27-33 (16 - 19.6%) -- possible 6HKO

    +6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 116-140 (69 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Superpower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 116-140 (69 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Earthquake vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 108-132 (64.2 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Waterfall vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 60-72 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Waterfall vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Rain: 90-108 (53.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Superpower vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 108-128 (64.2 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Grassy Terrain: 60-72 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- 94.4% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Grassy Terrain: 94-112 (55.9 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    +2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass in Grassy Terrain: 76-90 (45.2 - 53.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

     

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