VGC17 Checks Compendium

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  1. GayBird

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    Please note that this resource is still a work in progress, and community input is highly encouraged. Mention as much or as little as you would like.

    Credit where credit is due, the original idea comes from Smogon.

    The VGC17 checks compendium is intended to be a visual reference to help with your teambuilding process. This guide shows each Pokemon in the metagame and which Pokemon check the former. Checks are sorted into three categories.
    GSI - Guaranteed Switch-In
    A Pokemon in this category can safely switch into basically anything that the opponent can throw at it. (Some elements may be up to the player's moveset and stat choices, but mostly these Pokemon are very common to be reliable checks.) Pokemon in this category also must be able to beat the opponent as well, whether it be purely through offenses or through a Pokemon's capacity to stall.

    SSI - Situational Switch In
    Pokemon in this category have many strengths against the opponent but cannot switch into certain variants or moves that the opponent might carry. A Pokemon in this category can be effective if the proper circumstances are available, or if the player predicts the opponent to use a move that the Pokemon can safely switch into.

    NSI - Not a Switch-In
    Pokemon in this category have a good one on one matchup against the opponent, but cannot safely switch in. The Pokemon either gets KOed by one of the opponent's moves or gets out-sped and 2hkoed by the opponent. However, the Pokemon may have higher speed or priority, giving it the ability to win a 1 on 1 battle.

    Without further adieu, here it is! Each spoiler contains the checks to the listed Pokemon. Pokemon are listed in order of usage, averaged between the top cuts of major VGC tournaments and battle spot usage.

    Tapu Koko
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Garchomp
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Arcanine
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Marowak
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Celesteela
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Porygon2
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Tapu Lele
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Kartana
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Muk
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Tapu Bulu
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Tapu Fini
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Gastrodon
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Gyarados
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Araquanid
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Krookodile
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Pelipper
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Ninetales
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Gigalith
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Salamence
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Mimikyu
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Raichu
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Milotic
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Magnezone
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Metagross
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Torkoal
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Xurkitree
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Pheromosa
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Mudsdale
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Nihilego
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Drampa
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Vikavolt
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Hariyama
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Golduck
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Snorlax
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Politoed
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Gengar
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Goodra
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Lilligant
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Incineroar
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Sandslash
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Talonflame
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Mandibuzz
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Lapras
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Alolan Golem
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Buzzwole
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Vanilluxe
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Braviary
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Tentacruel
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    Cloyster
    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

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    Current discussion topic: Togedemaru
    Electric and Steel typing gives it the same defensive typing as magnezone, but its lackluster defensive stats can cause it problems. However, its access to lightning rod makes it a great switch-in to electric type moves, and can protect a partner that's weak to electric attacks. Also, it has access to fake out, as well as zing zap, which are both very strong moves. It is somewhat of a niche pick, but it does have its strengths, and can shine as a support pokemon on certain teams.

    GSI:
    SSI:
    NSI:

    GSI to:
    SSI to:
    NSI to:

    You can still bring up other topics, but refrain from suggesting other new pokemon.
     
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    Really cool idea - I think a lot of the icon links are broken though! (for the Tapus?)
     
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    The thread will be up to date with my current plan, but I'm sure that it's not perfect. I would really appreciate any feedback, so feel free to comment what you think could be changed
     
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    Wow! This is very helpful for team building especially for those last slot Pokemons. :)
     
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    This is really helping my team building at the moment by the way, but I was wondering why Muds isn't a SSI against Xurki? HP Ice/Tail Glow set? Doubt anyone wants to walk into a +2 Kurki with BoltBeam coverage! I'm not sure what its standard set (outside of the suggested TT spreads) is as its not top 30 usage. Cheers!
     
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    Xurkitree does carry energy ball with some regularity would be my guess. It doesn't OHKO mudsdale, but it definitely hurts.
     
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    Yep, that's why.
     
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    Only looked at the 6 mons on my team but IMO, Gastro loses to Toxic P2 very easily even if it has Toxic and Recover itself. For these reasons, I feel like it should be moved to SSI. Also feel like Zone, Nihi, Raichu and Xurk should possibly be demoted for Peli but I don't really have an argument for that. Also, P2 should be on a lot of SSIs just due to it's sheer bulk and ability to stall out so many things using Toxic and Recover
     
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    Agreed on the subject of gastrodon.
    as for pelipper switch-ins, I agree with a few. magnezone being slow and getting 2hkoed by scald in rain is a thing to be considered, but the rest are easily faster outside of tailwind/scarf, and nihilego's special bulk is huge. I'll take a look at it and see what could be changed.
     
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    Despite Nihilego has a Special Defense bulk equivalent to a Cresselia, sadly I dont think Nihilego is a good switch in to Tapu Koko since Nihilego takes more than 50% damage from a Life Orb Thunderbolt in the electric terrain. Koko can just KO it next turn
    252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego in Electric Terrain: 99-117 (53.5 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Situational switch in is a better suited for it, if the user was predicting a Dazzling Gleam
     
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    Thanks for this thread. It's actually really good for teambuilding.
     
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    A bump for the thread, as OP has returned. Hopefully we can get some discussion going and expand this to include more niche pokemon.
     
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    Tapu Fini should be added as a SSI for Gastrodon. Gastrodon usually runs Scald (next to no damage), Ice Beam (even less) and Toxic (no effect*). Only ground moves on Gastrodon will hurt Fini and even they are low in damage. Moonblast does 50%+ damage to Gastrodon and some run Grass Knot which OHKOs.

    *= Assuming misty terrain is up.
     

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